Curse

DragonRogue · Mar 15, 2009, 04:04 PM // 16:04

I searched the thread on this and found nothing about this that i could see, so sorry if this is a repeat. So a few of us were talking about all the experience our main toons had and the laughable amount of unused skill points we had that we could do nothing with. We have all the skills in the game, dont really use con-sets, stars of transference are a complete waste, and we thought we should be able to do something with them.

The idea that came up the most was to have the ability to turn them into Zkeys. Now i can just hear the PVPers freaking out about this idea already and im sure that there will be much flaming of this thread. But since the PVE players are the ones who are really buying them up, why should the PVP players be the only ones to control the market? Barring the endless accounts who predict tournaments. The Z title failed in its attempt at showing how much balth faction someone gets since everyone is selling the keys anyway to the PVEers. The items that fall from the chest arent even something that hardcore PVPers would ever even use. Lockpicks, tomes, sweets and drunk points, R12 weapons? And dont even try and use the arguement that the prices will drop to nothing since im sick of hearing from greedy people already whining endlessly on that topic. But im sure we will hear pleanty on this idea being the destruction of the GW economy. Im not really sure how many skill points would be fair in this to equal the amount of balth faction. Maybe 5 or 10 skill points per key id say. So what are your thoughts? Let the flaming begin.

zelgadissan · Mar 15, 2009, 04:47 PM // 16:47

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10337270

I laughed then, I'll laugh now. I agree we need new things to use skill points on, but Zkeys really isn't one of them.

TheodenKing · Mar 15, 2009, 04:58 PM // 16:58

The Zaishen chest,, and zaishen keys, are a reward for your experience in PvP play and Zaishen challenges.
The tourney prediction rewards are designed to get people interested in pvp as well.

Wtf do your unused skill points from pve have to do with Zaishen?

Though you'll probably never run out of skill points, you can utilize them for profit by making consumables to sell or use. They added that mechanic with EOTN.

HawkofStorms · Mar 15, 2009, 05:06 PM // 17:06

I don't know... I might be slowly changing my opinion from that post zelgadissan posted months ago.

It would be a great way to totally crush the value of z-keys and make people actually use them instead of trying to use it as currency and a get rich quick scheme. The QQ would be epic. But at least after it happened there would be no more whiny "I got screwed over with the XTH points" "WTF why are z-key prices dropping" threads.

The short term QQ if this happened may be better then the long term consequences.

Eve Flamestone · Mar 15, 2009, 05:11 PM // 17:11

/notSigned
but for something other then z keys and balth
I'd sign for something like Luxon/Kurzick or LB/SS, or for PvE skills for heros but not balth.

The Air Revenger · Mar 15, 2009, 05:13 PM // 17:13

z-keys would become almost worthless, other than getting the title of course. Thats why i think its a great idea. It would cause massive QQ and no more getting rich off XTH. It would also make the title alot eaiser to get since right now tho only way is to be extremly rich or buy gold.

EDIT: or you can just make it like 30 skill points per z-key

go cubs · Mar 15, 2009, 05:24 PM // 17:24

or make it like 100 sp per zkey lol.....that would b teh insane...but i agree we need to make sp worth something- I Would prefer them not to be for zkeys...maybe they should be for tomes or something...5sp for regular tome.....50sp for elite? maybe thats not the right amounts but it seems like a good idea to me :0 (may tank the prices of tomes too...) then again no point in buying regular tomes with sp unless u only had to pay sp's

dasmitchies · Mar 15, 2009, 05:28 PM // 17:28

How about a GH chest with lesser rewards? Zkeys were introduced to burn Balthazar faction and give pvp players a chance at rare skins. A Guild Hall chest with drops of tomes and title points with normal chest drops makes more sense for an idea like this.

Masseur · Mar 15, 2009, 05:38 PM // 17:38

If the price does drop considerably you won't be as mad at getting the crap you get out of the chest most of the time.

go cubs · Mar 15, 2009, 05:50 PM // 17:50

if the price drops, then title becomes more and more worthless...if keys become 1k each...title is 20 mil...which is a heck of a lot easier then 70-80mil so they dont want title to become easier

Yawgmoth · Mar 15, 2009, 06:07 PM // 18:07

PvP rewards are for PvP players.
XTH should be completely removed.

Zaishen Keys are a way for PvP-only players to make money. They should stay like that and they should have high prices.

Now PvE needs 2 things:
-A new way to burn MASS amounts of skill points
-AND a nerf to amounts of XP speed farming can get, something like lootscaling for exp, so farmers won't be able to make 40++ skillpoints per hour, and to make the big experience rewards from books or elite quests actually worth something.

And one of ways to make players burn thoudands of now useless skill points could actually be... using them for opening Z-Chest! But directly, this way:

-One Time Special Event - For just one weekend and never again players get the ability to open the Zaishen Chest without ZKeys but with the power of will - Costs 5 Skill Points.
-Opening ZChest with skill points should NOT add to the Zaishen Title
-As the drops from ZChest make less than 1/3 of ZKeys worth, this one-time event wouldn't hurt ZKeys prices much, and if XTH finally got removed the prices would soon go back up where they should be.
-Optional: Skill Points made on PvP characters could use another mean of conversion, possibly straight to Balth Faction, but while getting even one in the more srs forms of PvP like GvG/HA/even RA/TA takes A LOT of playing, I don't know what are the gains in AB/FA/JQ so those would need to be examined first.

street peddler · Mar 15, 2009, 06:09 PM // 18:09

it would make z-keys worthless. z-keys are a way for people who PvP too much to make money off people who PvE and farm too much. i like the balance right now and nothing really needs to be changed.

I Is Special · Mar 15, 2009, 06:17 PM // 18:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

The QQ would be epic.

Do it just for this reason.

I want to see the forums explode into QQ.

Quinlan Vos · Mar 15, 2009, 06:30 PM // 18:30

/signed

It would wreck the value of zkeys which is good because 1. Anet is currently selling gold to players via XTH and 2. PvP players don't need/deserve PvE rewards.

Shursh · Mar 15, 2009, 06:39 PM // 18:39

meh, why not?

i just sold all my zkeys for a massive loss anyway, as i've been away from the game for a while and originally bought them @ 4.8k/ea. QQ lol

it'd be nice to be able to get zrank1 for really cheap when the key price plummets.

mastar of warrior · Mar 15, 2009, 06:55 PM // 18:55

sure.
100 skill points = 1 zaishen key.
otherwise no.

lewis91 · Mar 15, 2009, 07:04 PM // 19:04

Im on the fence about this idea. Mainly because hardcore farmers with 20+ mill xp would have at least 1300 unused points to convert, and already non-hardcore farmers would just become one. If this were to go ahead, then im all for the above mentioned idea of XP-scaling, more monsters you kill within a few seconds, less xp you get.

I do agree we need something else to spend the points on, and consumables where an attempt, but not really that good to use them on.

I did like another above mentioned idea which is to have a PVE chest, with lesser rewards, perhaps a few snacks, alcohols, and a few nice weapons.

Either way i do agree some kind of sink needs to be added for those unused points

daraaksii · Mar 15, 2009, 07:14 PM // 19:14

LOL

/notsigned.

Btw zkeys should be account binding items.

Icy The Mage · Mar 15, 2009, 07:21 PM // 19:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by daraaksii

Btw zkeys should be account binding items.

This.

But on topic of unused skill points...

What's wrong with consumables?
You could always open up a cons service where people give you the mats + money & you make the cons for a slight fee (100g/con, 300/conset, etc...).

snodaard · Mar 15, 2009, 07:23 PM // 19:23

lol, guessing you'r short on money atm?
most useless thingy ever